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Post by colinynwa on Oct 26, 2012 12:31:55 GMT
Well I'll be pissing you off today (well if Hollywood had announced a remake of a 20 year old film)
It speaks more of the lack of originality in the studio system rather than a problem of updating visuals. If a film and a story are good leave it be, its been told and as you say, people are perfectly capable of seeing past some, what are now, dodgy effects and enjoy a good story, told and performed well.
I'd rather see Hollywood (and I'm pointing the finger at Hollywood as they are the worst culprits in my mind) invest the $75 million (or whatever it takes to make a new film these days) and invest it in telling new stories specifically written and developed to suit the modern audience and the technology available today to support their craft.
As you say the original is still there and people are able to see that so create something new.
This also really applies to the number of adaptations and films that are developed from books, comics and christ even boardgames by the sound of it these days. Why condense and compromise a story specifically designed and crafted for a different medium to make it into a film*.
Why not take the $75 million dollars ($75 MILLION DOLLARS for fucks sake and that's probably not even that much these days) and give it to someone who understands the medium they work in and writes a story to specifically suit that medium?
So yeah it pisses me off but mainly 'cos it stops movies developing beyond what they are.
*Which is not to say they can't be a good film of course, but they will always be a compromise on the original story.
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Post by crazyfoxmachine on Oct 26, 2012 12:54:55 GMT
People who refuse to understand WHY studios remake 20 year old films. Money. That's the only reason they do it, studios literally don't invest money in new films any more. I'd rather folk were up in arms about the lack of original films than said the tiresome "UGH WHY ARE DEY REEMMAAAKING DAT" thing. Money's the reason. It's not being given to original filmmaker's because the whole industry is shit scared of losing money. Now more than ever. Better take a punt on a remake than on a *gasp* NEW story. |
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Post by RichardMc on Oct 26, 2012 13:34:30 GMT
I think it if was like FIFA games and every year we got a new version of a movie, or every five years, then fair enough.
But when, for example, people are kicking off because they're doing a re-do of Robocop which is 25 years old now, I dont see that its a problem. They usually just take the elevator pitch of these films then do a totally new take on them anyway.
And I still think theres a lot of original stuff being made, it's just the tentpole movies that tend to play it safe. Most studios seem to see these as the cash cows that allow them to fund a few riskier projects that may or may not take off.
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Post by colinynwa on Oct 26, 2012 13:53:39 GMT
Robocop I think is a great example of what I think is going wrong though - I'm relying on made up maths and Wikipedia facts for speed here so please bear with me.
Robocop cost $13 million in 1987 (really I though it was earlier than that??? Anyway) The new one will cost $100 million. So rather than make one new Robocop why not make three Robocop type films.
What I mean by that is one of the great things about Robocop is that it takes a pretty simple idea, one that is derivative of loads of stuff including our own JD and re-crafts it specifically for film. Its not particularly original in concept but at least it was always destined and written to be a film. Now much money has than franchise gone on to make?
If the studio's got their fingers out there terrified butts and started to invest smaller amounts in better, original films they would not only have better product, but one that I'm sure would generate some very lucrative franchises that they so crave. Most of the smaller films would make their money back or near enough. Some would make a decent profit and the odd one or two would become massive and make the studios a shed load.
Overall the industry would surely become much healthier and more creative place and the money men might well make the money they need? They would save a fortune on licensing the copyright for boardgames, board fucking games which they are at the moment as they are so shit scared of being creative.
I'm of course only guessing at the economics of all this.
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Post by Nergie on Oct 26, 2012 21:47:43 GMT
I'm kinda in the 'shrugs shoulders' mindset when it comes to remakes. Personally i think they are pointless and do stifle original film making. Yet at the same time people do go see them and they do make money, they wouldnt do them if they didnt. Put it this way I want to smash Adeles teeth down her throat so she can never sing another note, but I recognise that she makes certain clueless people happy so I cling to my loathing like a comfort blanky and accept that people will always like shit. Let them get on with it. There are bigger issues in the world lets face it.
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Post by Nergie on Oct 28, 2012 16:57:35 GMT
So after an 9 week half term (for those who dont work in a school that is a long LONG arsed half term), whats the first thing that happens? Fucking man-flu. Feck you world, feck you.....
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Post by Orlok on Oct 28, 2012 18:58:25 GMT
There is no worse illness.
My prayers are with you, brother.
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Post by Nergie on Oct 28, 2012 21:07:13 GMT
To make it worse the missus is ill at the same time so im getting zero sympathy.
Not that i ever get any anyway......
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Post by RichardMc on Oct 29, 2012 14:39:45 GMT
Fact a woman in work has lost her voice.
You'd think this was a good thing but its not making her talk any less, she's just doing a shouty croak instead.
This is why HR won't let me have scissors on my desk
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Post by RichardMc on Oct 30, 2012 9:00:29 GMT
People who stop and have conversations in fucking doorways and dont have the intelligence to then get out of the way of people trying to get in and out.
Only plus side is they occasionally do this holding the door handle so you can violently twist them from the other side
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Post by Nergie on Oct 30, 2012 9:43:13 GMT
People who stop and have conversations in fucking doorways and dont have the intelligence to then get out of the way of people trying to get in and out. Only plus side is they occasionally do this holding the door handle so you can violently twist them from the other side Living in York i have total sympathy with this as given the streets can be as wide as a postage stamp and then you have a group of 30 fucking tourists all stopping whilst on a 'ghost tour' to gaze at a pub (why not go in the fucking thing for a drink not stand in the wet looking at it all the whilst paying a tool in a victorian outfit for the pleasure.... idiots). Seriously i genuinely have to stop myself from screaming at them sometimes. |
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Post by crazyfoxmachine on Oct 30, 2012 12:29:46 GMT
(why not go in the fucking thing for a drink not stand in the wet looking at it all the whilst paying a tool in a victorian outfit for the pleasure.... idiots). Last I went to York the "haunted" pub had an absolutely MISERABLE beer selection - that's probably why they didn't go in  |
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Post by Nergie on Oct 30, 2012 18:06:01 GMT
(why not go in the fucking thing for a drink not stand in the wet looking at it all the whilst paying a tool in a victorian outfit for the pleasure.... idiots). Last I went to York the "haunted" pub had an absolutely MISERABLE beer selection - that's probably why they didn't go in Still better than standing in the rain listening to a failed history student with a penchant for cosplay. |
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Post by Orlok on Oct 30, 2012 23:48:00 GMT
Oh, that York ghost tour was grim.
Not as grim as learning today that Disney are making Star Wars episode 7.
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Post by crazyfoxmachine on Oct 31, 2012 9:29:05 GMT
Sigh - on the subject of Kickstarters (not that we are) -
One of my favourite small press publishers has just gone and bloody launched an appeal - causing me to unfollow them on Twitter and unsubscribe from them on FB to save seeing them mention it every day from now on.
£7000 for 150 copies of a 96-page book. You do the maths.
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